Fanboyism and Brand Loyalty

[Polaris573]

http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/05/...brand-loyalty/

[Steevo]

I think my link is better than your link, and since you can't agree with my superior logic I won't even post it!

[FordGT90Concept]

Realize you have your irrational reasons, and so do they, and nothing will be gained by your proselytizing.

I don't have irrational reasons which is why I am above fanism.

I never call it "fanboyism" because girls can be guilty of it too. How many girls are all goo-goo-ga-ga over Gucci products, for example?

[Kurosagi]

Girls in UK go all about there crappy pound shops A.K.A the 5-10pound tops and the amount of girls i know all own an IPOD.
I mean yeah i like apple i admit but i only like them for there MP3 players since i own an itouch,but yeah i also like paying for what i get and thats from purchasing the brand,i don't like buying cheap stuff that often i only do it when its needed.

[FordGT90Concept]

Originally Posted by Kurosagi

I mean yeah i like apple i admit but i only like them for there MP3 players since i own an itouch,but yeah i also like paying for what i get and thats from purchasing the brand,i don't like buying cheap stuff that often i only do it when its needed.

That's a textbook example of fanism/brand loyalty. You buy it because of the brand, not because there isn't a superior product out there that costs a lot less (Zune or the army of flash-based MP3 players).

Maybe that's why Apple has a reputation for catering to the "selfish elites," their products sell almost entirely based on brand where as Microsoft, Dell, HP, Acer, etc. sell based on performance and customer satisfaction. Brand loyalty/fanism naturally leads itself to be more media friendly which is why you hear about Apple in the media far more so than Microsoft or other brands (unless they're getting sued).

Basically what I'm getting at is Apple sells nothing but their brand and whenever that brand appears on a different product, the loyalists respond. A large part of that brand loyality is to Steve Jobs. When Jobs is sick, Apple is too. When Jobs leaves, Apple slumps. When Jobs returns, Apple booms. When jobs has a new idea, every loyalist is listening.

Apple's problem in the near future is that very connection. Jobs won't be around forever and when he goes away, how is Apple going to turn the loyalty away from Jobs towards the corporation? I'm not so certain they can.

[Kurosagi]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

That's a textbook example of fanism/brand loyalty. You buy it because of the brand, not because there isn't a superior product out there that costs a lot less (Zune or the army of flash-based MP3 players).

Maybe that's why Apple has a reputation for catering to the "selfish elites," their products sell almost entirely based on brand where as Microsoft, Dell, HP, Acer, etc. sell based on performance and customer satisfaction. Brand loyalty/fanism naturally leads itself to be more media friendly which is why you hear about Apple in the media far more so than Microsoft or other brands (unless they're getting sued).

Basically what I'm getting at is Apple sells nothing but their brand and whenever that brand appears on a different product, the loyalists respond. A large part of that brand loyality is to Steve Jobs. When Jobs is sick, Apple is too. When Jobs leaves, Apple slumps. When Jobs returns, Apple booms. When jobs has a new idea, every loyalist is listening.

Apple's problem in the near future is that very connection. Jobs won't be around forever and when he goes away, how is Apple going to turn the loyalty away from Jobs towards the corporation? I'm not so certain they can.

Don't get me wrong i ain't a fanboy or brand loyalty if i was wouldn't i be having a macbook/mac instead of custom desktop?? No i don't i really don't like apple computers i only like the mp3 and i am quite happy to switch to something better like a zune if my itouch ever breaks.
Also i have a HP laptop and i love HP notebooks more than macbook.
Yes i agree about all this business talk you have posted.

[btarunr]

Nice read, explains a lot of things.

[Kurosagi]

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

That's a textbook example of fanism/brand loyalty. You buy it because of the brand, not because there isn't a superior product out there that costs a lot less (Zune or the army of flash-based MP3 players).

Zune isn't superior in any way. Those that are cheaper may be superior in features, but lack in build quality. Those that have equal build quality and features, cost the same or more anyway, but have far less accessories available to them.

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Maybe that's why Apple has a reputation for catering to the "selfish elites," their products sell almost entirely based on brand where as Microsoft, Dell, HP, Acer, etc. sell based on performance and customer satisfaction. Brand loyalty/fanism naturally leads itself to be more media friendly which is why you hear about Apple in the media far more so than Microsoft or other brands (unless they're getting sued).

Basically what I'm getting at is Apple sells nothing but their brand and whenever that brand appears on a different product, the loyalists respond. A large part of that brand loyality is to Steve Jobs. When Jobs is sick, Apple is too. When Jobs leaves, Apple slumps. When Jobs returns, Apple booms. When jobs has a new idea, every loyalist is listening.

Apple's problem in the near future is that very connection. Jobs won't be around forever and when he goes away, how is Apple going to turn the loyalty away from Jobs towards the corporation? I'm not so certain they can.

Yes, they market themselves extremely well, but many of their products are worth their asking price. You can't just dissmiss them out of hand because of their brand name. That's no different than fanboyism/fangirlism. It's just applied in the opposite manner.

[DaveK]

I don't consider myself much of a fanboy, though I do have a bit of brand loyalty in me, i.e since I like my Xbox 360, I'll consider getting the next one, but I won't get something just because the brand, I'll get which I think is better so if the next Xbox is crap I'll get the next PlayStation. I've had all the Playstations except the PS3 because the 360 was the better buy for me, even though I was a Sony fanboy and wanted the PS3.

The only thing I hate about my iPod is the brand name, I hate that everyone gets one because it's an iPod. I got my iPod because I listen to music more than anyone I know and it has the features I want, like gapless playback which isn't on many MP3 players and the big screen is great for watching videos on the go as I'm on the bus a lot but I don't know why all my friends have one other than the brand.

Same with Skullcandy headphones, people only get them because the brand and the looks, for the same price you could get superior Boss or Sennheiser, but they don't look as cool or have a cool sounding name...

[Deusxmachina]

Originally Posted by Wile E

Zune isn't superior in any way. Those that are cheaper may be superior in features, but lack in build quality. Those that have equal build quality and features, cost the same or more anyway, but have far less accessories available to them.

I haven't paid attention to the newer ones, but the original Zune was cheaper, had a bigger screen, built-in radio, wi-fi that wasn't worthless, better sound quality, arguably a better music service, etc. Build quality was fine on mine, the battery lasted way longer than I would have thought, and I read plenty of people say their Ipods broke.

Not sure how this thread can exist without the "I Don't Care" Iphone video. NSFW due to swearing, or if you work at Apple.

[Wile E]

Build quality and screen were nice on the Zune. Software was an even bigger letdown than itunes tho. And not nearly the same amount of accessories available either. I had both, and still preferred using my iPod.

[remixedcat]

OMG I'm falling in love with the HTC phones more. Looks so nice.

[FordGT90Concept]

Originally Posted by Wile E

I had both, and still preferred using my iPod.

That's your brand loyalty talking.

[Wile E]

lol. No quite. I wanted a Cowon really bad, but couldn't afford it, and it didn't work with my head unit the way the iPod does.

[FordGT90Concept]

You said:

Originally Posted by Wile E

Zune isn't superior in any way. Those that are cheaper may be superior in features, but lack in build quality.

Deus retorts:

Originally Posted by Deusxmachina

Build quality was fine on mine, the battery lasted way longer than I would have thought, and I read plenty of people say their Ipods broke.

You counter what you previously said:

Originally Posted by Wile E

Build quality and screen were nice on the Zune.

As for your latest statement, how can Cowon "didn't work" when you "couldn't afford one." You of all people should know that Apple loves to invent priorietary jacks on their products in order to limit the number of holes in the case (Apple clearly hates holes). The iPod Original has two ports, for example: the standard 3.5 mm stereo jack and their proprietary port. If your "head unit" doesn't work with Cowon, that means you bought a proprietary "head unit" which will only work on iPod products. You should have known that when you bought it and you should have known it will be completely useless on anything except Apple products. That's how Apple operates (use brand loyality to make one purchase than keep you coming back through proprietary accessories, software, and hardware).


Yo trippin' foo.

[Wile E]

Original build quality statement wasn't in reference to the Zune. 2 separate statements. As evidenced by my next comment on the Zune. Reread, comprehend, then post.

I couldn't afford as it was more expensive than the iPod for the same storage space. And it doesn't work with my head unit because my head unit does not have Cowon controls, it has iPod controls. It also works with USB drives, but it doesn't index the files, making finding music more difficult, as you have to organize it manually or search thru a giant list of songs.

And lots of companies use proprietary jacks. As long as the computer interface side is standard (usb in this case), I couldn't care less. iPod cables are dirt cheap on Amazon.

I'm not a fanboy, I just buy the thing that does what I need for the money I have to spend. Brand isn't even a concern for me at all. I judge all products I'm looking to buy individually by item, not according to brand.

[PP Mguire]

Except after buying all them accessories from Apple you prolly coulda affored the other one.

Hehe just bustin your ass.

Only thing im a fanboi for is Nvidia. More specifically, their drivers. Other than that its careful research and first hand experience if at all possible before i make a buying choice.

[jmcslob]

I'm a Fanboi of AMD because my pocket book no longer lets me Buy Intel...
Sorry but Nvidia is too expensive for what you get as well..All things considered..Such as larger PSU and better cooling...

Nvidia makes fast Products though and there is no denying it

[PP Mguire]

I sold my AMD rig to buy my current Intel setup which performs faster. You dont have to buy an i7 to have Intel which is a common mistake. There is absolutely no use in 6 cores unless you video encode the majority of the time your on your computer.

There are also less expensive Nvidia solutions than a 480/470 that perform damn good for the dollar as well. Its all in how you look at it.

[remixedcat]

I like Nvidia more becuase the driver stability. I know ati can render nicer, but what good is all that if it has so many problems. Like dating a hot model that has temper tantrums all the time or she cannot manage her money and ends up broke LOL>

REALISTIC TIT SHADERS!

[PP Mguire]

Originally Posted by jmcslob

I'm a Fanboi of AMD because my pocket book no longer lets me Buy Intel...
Sorry but Nvidia is too expensive for what you get as well..All things considered..Such as larger PSU and better cooling...

Nvidia makes fast Products though and there is no denying it

I also forgot to put in my last post, if ATI upped their driver game id rather use ATI cards because they are still really good. Currently i only prefer Nvidia because of driver issues ive been having with ATI since my 4870 a long time ago.

[Deusxmachina]

Hey, what's wrong with ATI drivers? I only had to try four different old drivers to get my ATI card to stop freezing with Windows 7.

[Flyordie]

Originally Posted by PP Mguire

I also forgot to put in my last post, if ATI upped their driver game id rather use ATI cards because they are still really good. Currently i only prefer Nvidia because of driver issues ive been having with ATI since my 4870 a long time ago.

lol, I am still running 9.11. :-\

[PP Mguire]

Last ATI driver that worked great for me was on a 9800XT. The drivers for my X1900XTX wernt even that great but it was a beast card.